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The North-South Divide: A Tale of Class and Identity

Growing up in the North, I was often teased about my accent - a characteristic that has become synonymous with "northern" culture. However, our regional dialects are merely one aspect of a much deeper issue: class divisions.

Stephen Deput, a Londoner who spent 40 years working in advertising, notes that while southerners often view Northerners as blunt and direct, this quality is also seen as a weakness in the business world. "Endless talking that means nothing and makes sure nothing gets done," he writes. In contrast, working-class common sense can be effective in certain situations.

However, when it comes to university admissions, social class becomes a significant barrier for Northerners. Michael Whatmore recalls his struggles with public school kids who dominated socially and intellectually at Leeds University.

On the other hand, Southerners often struggle with geographical knowledge of the North, as pointed out by Robyn Vinter's article. Nick Hopkinson offers a tongue-in-cheek take on this issue, suggesting that if you want to write about being an English Midlander, he's your man.

Tony Clewes highlights another misconception: Northerners are not always perceived as friendly or welcoming. Jill Hubbard shares her experience of facing discrimination when she moved from Bath to a Northern university.

The lines between North and South are often blurred, but class divisions remain a contentious issue. Mary Bolton reminisces about an interaction with her lab partner at the University of Bristol, where he misheard her pronunciation due to his non-regional accent.

Dr Craig Armstrong notes that even those born and bred in Staffordshire have experienced mockery and bullying for their "northern" identity. Dr Geraldine Hale, a Yorkshire-raised vet who married an Essex man, has learned to occasionally mock his pronunciation and enjoy teasing him about his affection for the word "scones."

These stories illustrate the complexities of class divisions in England. The North-South divide is more than just a regional issue; it's a reflection of deeper social and cultural conflicts that have been shaped by centuries of history, economics, and education.
 
I think its kinda weird how southerners always think theyre better off, but really its just cuz they went to the right schools πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. I mean, im a northerner myself & i know plenty of clever people from all over England who dont have that "southern" label slapped on 'em. And yeah, our accents might be diffrent, but thats just part of the charm! Who cares if you can't understand what someone's sayin'? Thats like tryin' to figure out a puzzle blindfolded lol 🀯
 
I think its all about how we perceive people from other regions πŸ€”... I mean, my mate from the South came up north and everyone was like "what's with the accent?" But then they went on to do a degree at Uni and no one cared about that anymore πŸ˜‚... Its not just about where you're from but what you can bring to the table. Like, I know someone who went to university in Manchester and ended up getting a job offer in London because of their skills, not because of where they were from πŸ‘
 
I feel like I'm stuck in this never-ending cycle of being judged for where I'm from πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. Like, why can't we just appreciate the Northern accent without making fun of it? It's not all about the dialects, though - it's about how our backgrounds shape who we are and what we bring to the table πŸ’Ό. I've had experiences like Mary's with lab partners mishearing me because of my "non-regional" accent πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ, but at least we're acknowledging that there's more to us than just where we're from.

I think it's interesting how some people are quick to mock the Northern way of life, while others are more open-minded πŸ’‘. We need to recognize that class divisions aren't always about being "blunt" or "friendly" - they're about systemic issues and historical context πŸ“š. It's time for us to have a more nuanced conversation about where we come from and how it shapes who we are, without perpetuating stereotypes or mocking those who don't fit the mold 😊.
 
🀯 I mean, come on, 40 years in advertising doesn't qualify you to judge people from the North, dude! πŸ˜‚ It's all about context and attitude. My mate from Leeds had a boss who was a total snob, but they were actually pretty cool once you got to know 'em. And don't even get me started on the whole "scones" thing - it's just a funny accent difference, innit? πŸ˜‚ Anyway, I think what really matters is how we can work together to break down these barriers and create a more inclusive society for everyone, regardless of where they're from. πŸ’–
 
The thing about class divides, mate... πŸ€” I'm from London but grew up in the South East, so I've seen both sides. It's like, people think they know what's "normal" or what's not, you know? Like, if you're from a certain area, you're automatically deemed to be a certain type of person. But honestly, it's all just a bunch of stereotypes and misconceptions πŸ™„. I mean, who says that Southerners are all posh and Northerners are all rough around the edges? It's not like that at all! It's all about individual experiences and personalities, innit? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

And don't even get me started on university admissions... πŸ˜’ I know loads of people who've struggled with it, regardless of where they're from. It's just a right old mess, if you ask me.

But what really gets my goat is when people make fun of accents or regional dialects πŸ—£οΈ. Like, come on, guys! Can't we just appreciate the diversity and uniqueness of our different areas? It's not like one accent is better than another πŸ˜‚. I mean, Dr Geraldine Hale is hilarious for poking fun at her husband's pronunciation, but maybe we should be laughing together instead of at each other 🀣.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that the North-South divide might be more complex than people think... πŸ€”. There are some pretty deep-seated issues here, and it's going to take a lot of effort to change people's minds and attitudes 🌟. But hey, at least we can start having these conversations, right? πŸ’¬
 
I mean, I think the idea of class divisions being a major contributor to the North-South divide is kinda true πŸ€”... no, wait, I'm not so sure about that πŸ˜’. Like, if Northerners are really seen as blunt and direct in the business world, doesn't that actually make us more effective? We don't sugarcoat things like Southerners do πŸ’β€β™€οΈ. But on the other hand, our dialects might be weird for southerners to understand πŸ˜‚... or maybe they just don't care about regional accents anymore πŸ™„.

I've met some Northerners who were super friendly and welcoming, while others can be pretty cold πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. And what's with all the mocking going on between people from different regions? It feels like we're all just piling on each other 😩... no, that's not it, I'm just saying we need to work on our communication skills πŸ“š. Anyway, I think it's all pretty complicated 🀯, and we can't just simplify it down to "class divisions" or whatever πŸ”.
 
πŸ€” I think it's kinda wild how class divisions still exist in England, even 40 years after Stephen Deput's career in advertising ended. Like, isn't the goal to be judged on what you can do, not where you're from? It makes sense that working-class common sense is an asset, but it shouldn't have to come with a "you're from the wrong side of the tracks" stigma.

And yeah, geographical knowledge isn't everything, especially when people grow up in areas that aren't directly connected to their university or work life. I've seen friends make the same mistake - like, just because someone's not from the south doesn't mean they're ignorant about it! πŸ—ΊοΈ
 
The North-South divide is all about how we perceive each other's strengths & weaknesses πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ Class divisions run deep! Southerners think Northerners are blunt, but maybe it's just because they're trying too hard to sound 'sophisticated' πŸ˜‚
 
the north-south divide thingy πŸ€”.. i think its all about how we perceive our identities... like, being from the north means somethin' to me - it's my roots, you know? 🌳 but when people outside of that region assume its all about bein' blunt and direct, thats just not fair πŸ˜’

imagine drawin a diagram with two boxes: "northern" and "southern"... each box has a bunch of characteristics like "class divisions", "accent", "culture"... but whats the overlap? is it just one thing or is its a mix 🀝... i think that's what makes this whole north-south divide thing so complicated πŸ’‘

anyway, i got a mate from manchester who loves scones πŸ₯ž and he's always makin fun of my pronunciation when we talk online... like, its just part of the joke, but at the same time, it shows that our identities can be tied to specific regions 🌎

i'm not sure what the solution is, but i do know its not gonna be a simple answer... maybe its just about learnin to appreciate each other's differences and all 😊
 
I had this friend who used to work in marketing in Manchester, she said her colleagues from the South would always assume they were just working-class salespeople who didn't know much about anything πŸ€”... but really they're just as educated and talented as anyone else. It's like, we're not all just about our accent and geography, you know? πŸ˜’ it's a bit frustrating when people make assumptions based on where you're from...
 
I'm totally with the south on this one πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. I mean, think about it, Northerners are always so serious and brooding, while Southerners are just more... chill 😎. And let's be real, who needs all that "common sense" when you can have a good dose of creativity and intuition? Plus, southerners get a bad rep for being too posh and snobby, but honestly, it's hard not to feel like the rest of the world is just one big, dysfunctional family πŸ‘ͺ.
 
I'm so tired of how class affects our sense of identity and where we come from 🀯. It's like, just 'cause you're from the North doesn't mean you're not intelligent or worthy. I've met some of my best mates from different parts of the country who are all about working hard and being true to themselves πŸ’ͺ. But yeah, it's still crazy how many people assume that if you're from a "different" part of England, your accent is somehow "wrong" πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. Newsflash: accents are just a part of our culture, fam! We need to stop judging each other based on where we're from and start celebrating what makes us unique 🌈.
 
omg i cant believe some ppl still make fun of northerners for ther accent lol like whats wrong wiv bein from yorkshire or liverpool?? its so sad 2 hear bout all these class divisions & ppl being bullied 4 ther accent or geographical location πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈπŸ’” i think itz time we just accept each other 4 who we are & where we're from, regardless of where we're from in england πŸ™ŒπŸ»πŸ’–
 
i'm still trying to figure out how to make online payments work on my phone lol i mean, back to this article... so class divisions in england sound super real to me like people from different parts of the country are judged for their accents or where they went to uni πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ meanwhile, scones should be a universal favorite, right? i wonder if they have similar issues with regional dialects down south...
 
πŸ€” I think the North-South divide goes way beyond just accent or geography. It's like, there's this whole other vibe to being from one side of England versus the other. People in the South are often portrayed as posh and refined, while Northerners are seen as a bit rough around the edges. And honestly, I think that's kinda true - we do have our own unique way of life up here.

But at the same time, the media can be really unfair. They'll pick apart all these tiny differences between people from different regions and blow them out of proportion. Like, it's not just about accent or where you're from - it's also about education, income, and access to opportunities.

And then there's this thing about class divisions that's really interesting to me. I mean, who gets to decide what's "classy" or not? Is it based on where you went to school, your family background, or just how well-dressed you are? It feels like people in the South have a lot more resources and opportunities at their fingertips, which is pretty unfair.

But hey, maybe that's just me being a bit of a North-South rebel. I think it's time we start talking about these issues in a way that acknowledges our differences but also brings us together as a country. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§
 
Wow 🀯 I mean, can you even imagine having to deal with people judging you for your accent just because of where you're from? And then there's the whole class thing... like, why should it matter what region you're from if you've got talent and skills? Interesting πŸ‘€
 
I think its kinda wild how people still view each other from different regions as being so different, you know? like we're all just trying to make a living & live our lives here πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ but the class divide is still super real. I mean i've got friends from all over England and we always have good times together, regardless of where they're from 😊
 
The whole thing feels so staged πŸ€”. Everyone's just jumping on the bandwagon to share their 'personal' anecdotes about class divisions in England without really thinking about how their privileged position affects those stories. Like, are these people even aware they're benefiting from systemic inequalities? It's all about playing the victim and pretending they're some kind of underdog hero πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. Newsflash: just because you have a regional accent or grew up in a certain area doesn't mean you're not part of the problem.
 
I think its crazy how class divides are still super relevant in our society... like, I was talking to my friend from the South recently and we were both laughing about how Northerners are always stereotyped as being blunt 🀣 but also not very intelligent or creative πŸ™„, whereas Southerners are seen as all high-brow and clever πŸ’‘. But honestly, its not that simple... I've got friends who are from the North and they're all super smart and talented in their own way, and then there are others who are just... well, let's say less than brilliant πŸ˜‚.

And it's not just about accents or regional dialects, its about how we're perceived by society. Like, my friend Jill Hubbard had to deal with some serious racism when she moved from Bath to the North πŸ€•, and Dr Craig Armstrong has been mocked for being from Staffordshire... its like, why can't we just get along? πŸ˜”

But I do think its interesting how class divides have become more blurred over time... my friend Geraldine Hale is a Yorkshire vet who married an Essex guy and they both laugh about his pronunciation 🀣. It shows that there's more to people than where they're from or what accent they've got, you know? πŸ‘
 
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