NYC bars are getting crushed by the rising cost of liability insurance

"NYC Bars Drowning in Rising Liability Insurance Costs, Leaving Many on Brink of Collapse"

A crippling financial burden is sweeping across the city's bars, forcing many to shut their doors due to skyrocketing liability insurance costs. The rising premiums have made it increasingly difficult for businesses to operate, even those with a spotless record of claims.

According to industry analysts, the factors contributing to these rate hikes are an "increasingly litigious society," growing jury awards, and economic pressures like inflation and labor shortages. Insurers claim that these factors pose significant risks to their clients, leading to increased premiums.

However, many business owners say that the rates simply don't add up. For example, Keith Hamilton, co-owner of Bushwick's Our Wicked Lady, saw his liability insurance costs rise from $2,000 a month to $4,000 by the end of last year. This increase was unsustainable for the 10-year-old bar, which ultimately shuttered its doors.

Industry experts blame an increasingly litigious society and growing jury awards for driving up premiums. However, business owners point out that their venues have made zero liability insurance claims in a decade, yet saw rates double.

"It's really bad," Hamilton said. "There's no rhyme or reason for it." Mark Kleback, co-owner of 7-year-old Bushwick arcade bar Wonderville, echoes this sentiment, stating that the costs are "worse than rent" and that acquiring insurance is opaque and antiquated.

The situation has sparked concerns among advocacy groups and experts. Dhruv Chopra, co-founder of Elsewhere and a go-to for liability insurance advice, has seen firsthand how these rates are affecting businesses. He argues that insurers often have "very cookie cutter silos for how they think about risks," which doesn't account for the unique nature of nightlife in New York.

As the situation continues to unfold, many are left wondering if the industry's focus on prevention is having an unintended consequence: stifling the very thing it's supposed to protect – creativity and community.
 
This is wild 🀯 I mean, I get it, liability insurance is important, but $4k a month for a bar in Bushwick? That's like renting out your space for free πŸ’Έ The industry needs to find a better solution than just passing on these costs to the business owners. It's not fair to the 10-year-old bars that have been around for decades with zero claims πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ We need some creative thinking from insurers and policymakers, or we might see even more businesses close their doors πŸšͺ
 
Ugh, this is crazy 🀯! NYC bars are getting crushed by liability insurance costs & I think we need to rethink our approach to risk management πŸ’ΈπŸ”’. It's one thing to have a spotless record but another to get slammed with insane premiums that just don't add up πŸ€‘. I mean, who hasn't heard of a bar making zero claims in a decade? Yet, rates still double 😱. This is all about the business owners being forced to play by insurers' rules rather than having their unique needs considered πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. Can we find a better balance between safety & sustainability for our nightlife scene? πŸŽ‰πŸ’ͺ
 
πŸ€” this raises some deep questions about the cost of 'safety' vs 'community'. it's like, we want bars to be safe, but at what expense? do we really need all these lawyers and insurance policies holding us back from having a good time? πŸΊπŸ’Έ maybe its time to rethink how we approach liability and start prioritizing creativity and community over profit margins... πŸ‘₯
 
I remember this one bar in Brooklyn that was always buzzing with energy... I went there like 5 years ago and had an amazing time... but then they shut down πŸ€• because of those rising insurance costs. It breaks my heart, you know? It's like the bars are being suffocated by these giant insurance companies... I mean, what's next? The city is going to start charging us for breathing oxygen πŸ˜‚. The problem isn't that people are getting too litigious or whatever, it's just that the system is broken and needs a shake-up.
 
πŸ€” I don't think this is just a NYC problem, guys... Liability insurance costs are rising everywhere! It's not like bars are being super reckless or anything... They're actually pretty cautious, given how much cash they need to cover themselves.

And what's with all the blame on an "increasingly litigious society"? Like, isn't that kinda true? We've seen some major settlements in recent years. But insurers say that's why they're raising rates... Meanwhile, businesses are just getting priced out.

I mean, I get it, insurance companies need to make a profit too, but is $4,000 a month really necessary for a bar with zero claims in 10 years? πŸ€‘ It doesn't add up, guys. And what's the alternative: no more bars? That'd be a shame...
 
I'm telling you, this is a classic case of "regulatory creep" πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ. The city's gonna be so worried about protecting its citizens from these bars that they're suffocating 'em under a mountain of red tape and regulations. I mean, what's the real issue here? Bars causing trouble or people wanting to have a good time? It seems like we're losing sight of the fact that businesses need some breathing room to operate. We can't just pass the buck on this one - it's time for some serious reform! 🚨
 
Man, its like, what's the real cost of safety? πŸ€” The insurance companies are just pricing out these small businesses that bring so much character to the city. Its not just about the money, its about the experience and the connections you make in a place. Are we really willing to sacrifice community for the sake of liability? 🍺 I mean, think about it, if everyone was super cautious all the time, would we even have any bars left? The ones that are still standing must be doing something right, but its not like they're taking risks or anything. Its just...the system is broken, you know?
 
🀯 this is getting outta hand 🚨 10 year old bar shut down because of insurance costs? what happened to common sense? they made zero claims in a decade, yet double their rates... its just not fair πŸ’Έ
 
I'm so worried about these NYC bars 🍺😩... like, they're already struggling just to stay afloat in this crazy city, and now they gotta deal with super high insurance costs too? It's like, what's next? They'll have to close their doors because they can't afford the lights πŸ’‘. I mean, I get it, insurers wanna protect themselves, but come on! These bars are doing everything right - no claims for years πŸ™. And now they're getting squeezed by these rising rates? It's just not fair πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ...
 
I'm thinking about all those bar owners who lost their businesses over really high insurance costs πŸ€•. It's not fair that they've never had a claim in years but still get slammed with big price hikes πŸ’Έ. I feel like the system is just too rigid and doesn't take into account how each place is unique πŸ“š. Maybe we need to find ways to make insurance more flexible or even community-based so it supports, not stifles, small businesses and the people who rely on them ❀️. It's a shame because bars are such important parts of city culture and community πŸ’•.
 
πŸ€• This is so sad to hear about all these bars closing down! I mean, they've been doing everything right, zero accidents or claims in a decade, yet their insurance costs just skyrocketed 🚨. It's not fair to the owners who are just trying to make a living and create a space for people to hang out and have fun.

I think this is an example of how the system can get so out of whack that it starts to stifle innovation and creativity πŸŽ‰. The industry needs to find a way to work with insurers to find more affordable solutions, maybe by looking at new technologies or innovative underwriting models πŸ’‘. We need our bars and nightlife scene in NYC to thrive, not just survive! πŸ˜”
 
omg, can u believe this?? NYC bars are literally drowning in liability insurance costs 😱 it's like, what's going on? they're saying it's a litigious society and jury awards but i'm over here thinking it's just insurers trying to make a quick buck πŸ€‘ and don't even get me started on the business owners who are just trying to survive... keith hamilton's bar had to close its doors due to a $2k/month increase 🀯 that's not sustainable. and mark kleback's saying it's worse than rent πŸ’Έ. i think these experts have a point though, insurers need to be more flexible with their silos because nightlife in nyc is all about creativity and community... and if the industry can't adapt, we might lose some of those amazing spots 🚨
 
omg i feel so bad for these bar owners πŸ€• they're literally getting squeezed by skyrocketing insurance costs... like $2k a month to $4k in just a year?! that's insane πŸ’Έ and it's not even fair since none of them have had any claims in 10 years πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ how are they supposed to keep their businesses afloat when the numbers just don't add up? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ what's the point of having a spotless record if you can't afford to stay open? 😩
 
draw a simple diagram of a bar with a giant liability insurance premium on top of it

omg i feel so bad for all these bars they're like literally drowning 🀯

i get that insurers need to account for risks but it feels like the rates are just too outta hand $4,000 a month is CRAZY πŸ€‘ and what's even crazier is that some places have zero claims in 10 years yet still see their rates DOUBLED 😲

it's not just about the money though - all these closures mean less community spaces for people to hang out and express themselves πŸ€– it's like the city is losing its soul πŸ’”

i wish there was a better way for insurers to evaluate risks that didn't involve such massive premiums maybe some sort of standardized system or risk assessment tool? πŸ“ŠπŸ‘
 
I'm seriously worried about our beloved NYC bars 🍺😬. It's like they're being squeezed by the insurance industry for no reason, you know? I've been to Bushwick's Our Wicked Lady a few times and that place had amazing vibes 🌈. But if they can't afford the sky-high insurance rates, it's game over...literally 😱.

It's crazy how these insurers think they're so smart with their "cookie cutter silos" for assessing risks πŸ€”. I mean, you've got bars like Our Wicked Lady making zero claims in a decade and yet their rates double πŸ’Έ? It just doesn't add up. And it's not just about the business owners; it's about the community that comes with these places 😒.

I hope some solutions come to light soon πŸ™, or we'll lose another gem of our city's nightlife scene 😭.
 
I feel like bars in NYC r actually getting a raw deal πŸ€‘. They're already doing everything right - no history of accidents or complaints, yet they're still getting slammed with 2x more expensive insurance πŸ’Έ. It's not like they're taking risks by serving pints and letting people have a good time! πŸ˜‚ I mean, come on, the city should step in and offer some sort of assistance or reform to these insurance companies πŸ‘Š. Otherwise, we'll just see more great spots like Our Wicked Lady shutting down for good πŸ’”
 
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