The crescendo of pre-budget lobbying has rarely been so loud. Rachel Reeves must tune it out | Polly Toynbee

As Westminster Bridge falls silent under the ominous specter of protest, Rachel Reeves must tune out the cacophony of expensive lobbyists clamoring for her attention. On Tuesday, demonstrators clad in masks of top bank CEOs waved champagne and sacks of cash to highlight the absurdity of allowing British banks to reap record-breaking profits with minimal tax burden.

The case against a windfall tax on banks' accelerating domestic profits is compelling. Inflation has catapulted their takings to record heights, yet they seem impervious to the same economic reality that's wreaking havoc on household finances. Why not set a 35% energy profits levy, as the Tory government did in 2022? UK Finance's lobby group dismisses such an idea as "nonsense," claiming it would damage competitiveness with foreign banks.

However, campaigners argue that this is precisely the point: British banks have been quietly siphoning off growing sums to their shareholders, while investing less in the real economy. The onus should be on these financial institutions to contribute fairly, not shielding themselves from a reasonable tax rate.

Gambling, too, has become a contentious issue, with proponents of a 50% tax arguing that it could raise Β£3.2 billion. Yet, industry lobbyists have been vocal in their opposition, labeling Gordon Brown's proposed tax rise as "economically reckless." The betting and gambling council warns that such a move would lead to the loss of 40,000 jobs.

The debate over property taxes is equally contentious, with some arguing that a mansion tax on properties worth more than Β£2 million could revive stagnant growth in the housing market. Others claim it would force thousands of asset-rich pensioners to sell their homes, despite evidence suggesting that downsizing might actually improve their lives.

Equalising national insurance on earned and unearned income has gained traction, but landlords and letting agents are resistant to reforming business rates. They argue that such a change could lead to the collapse of small landlords and kill local high streets.

The chancellor's dilemma is stark: raise taxes from ordinary taxpayers to fuel growth, or opt for more progressive taxation on the wealthy. The latter may be more appealing in terms of fairness, but history suggests that no pro-tax message resonates as well as anti-tax rhetoric. Ultimately, Rachel Reeves must rely on her own judgment, ignoring the din of expensive lobbyists and the public's conflicting opinions.

As the polls currently stand with her party sitting at 17%, what's to lose? The only option is to pursue a path that prioritises fairness over short-term popularity. With no clear consensus in sight, the chancellor must forge ahead on her own terms, navigating a treacherous landscape of competing interests and contradictory messaging.
 
πŸ€” This whole banking tax debate just got me thinking - what's up with all these big banks making so much profit while people are struggling to make ends meet? I mean, we're seeing record-breaking profits for these institutions, but it's like they're immune to the economic reality that's affecting everyone else. It's not like they're investing their money in the real economy or helping out the community. They're just siphoning it off to their shareholders and pocketing the rest.

And don't even get me started on gambling - 50% tax is a pretty reasonable idea, but the industry lobbyists are being really vocal about how it would hurt the economy. It's like they expect us to believe that their profits are more important than people's livelihoods. I'm all for fairness and progressive taxation, but at the same time, I don't want to see any measures that would harm innocent people.

It's crazy when you think about property taxes too - some people say it could help revive the housing market, but others claim it would force pensioners to sell their homes. It's like there's no middle ground here. And what really gets my goat is all these big corporations and lobby groups trying to influence policy without actually contributing anything to the conversation.

Rachel Reeves needs to take a deep breath, tune out all the noise, and make some tough decisions. We can't keep living in this limbo where special interests are more important than the public good. It's time for some real change here! πŸ’ͺ
 
lol @ Rachel Reeves having to navigate this mess 🀯. I mean, can't these lobbyists just chill for one sec? πŸ™„ It's not like they're gonna make the economy better or anything. The whole windfall tax thing makes sense, tbh - banks are making bank (no pun intended) while regular folks are struggling to make ends meet. And don't even get me started on the gambling industry... Β£3.2 billion is a sweet score, but I'm sure they'll find ways to spin it as "economically reckless". πŸ€‘ The mansion tax idea has some merit, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the property lobby will fight tooth and nail against it. And let's be real, the chancellor needs to make some tough calls - it's not like she can just please everyone. But 17% approval ratings? That's pretty low... maybe it's time for a change of gears πŸ”„.
 
πŸ€” The thing is, I think the whole debate around taxing banks is super complex πŸ™ƒ. On one hand, you've got these record-breaking profits that are, let's be real, way out of touch with how regular people are struggling financially πŸ’Έ. It seems only fair to ask them to chip in a bit more so that those who are doing okay can help support everyone else.

But on the other hand, there's this notion that taxing banks too much could somehow harm their competitiveness or lead to job losses πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. And I get it, businesses need to be able to operate profitably, but come on – Β£40k per year in profits is not exactly a small sum of money for the likes of HSBC and Barclays πŸ’Έ.

And then there's this whole argument about fairness βš–οΈ. It seems like everyone wants to be on the "right" side of things – some people think it's unfair to tax banks, while others say they're not contributing enough to society πŸ€”. Meanwhile, the middle ground just gets lost in all the noise.

I think what Rachel Reeves needs to do is take a step back and try to find common ground πŸ”. Maybe there's a way to balance out the tax burden so that everyone's paying their fair share, but also acknowledging that some industries like finance are inherently more profitable than others πŸ“ˆ.

It's not going to be easy, I know ⏰. The politics around this stuff are always super tricky 🀯, and there are going to be people who disagree with whatever decision she makes. But at the end of the day, as long as she's making a decision that prioritizes fairness and supports the economy, I think she'll be okay πŸ’ͺ
 
This whole thing is wild 🀯. I mean, it's all about who gets to keep more cash, right? The banks are making record profits while people struggle with inflation and household finances πŸ’ΈπŸ“‰. A 35% energy levy sounds like a decent idea to me - after all, they're raking it in! πŸ’ΈπŸ‘€

And the gaming industry is just another example of these fat cats trying to avoid paying their fair share πŸŽ²πŸ’Έ. I'm not sure how Β£3.2 billion isn't worth fighting for πŸ€‘.

But what really gets me is that ordinary taxpayers get caught in the middle while lobbyists try to sway Rachel Reeves' decisions πŸ’¬πŸ‘€. It's like, hello! Can't they just make a decision based on what's right instead of what sounds good on Twitter? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

I do think the mansion tax idea has some merit - it could actually help boost the housing market πŸ πŸ’°. And equalising national insurance on earned and unearned income is about time we got our act together! πŸ“Š

The real question is, who's gonna take a stand for fairness over popularity? πŸ’ͺ
 
Ugh, another chance for the rich to get richer πŸ’ΈπŸ‘€ The whole thing just feels like a big mess, you know? All these experts saying one thing, but it's all just smoke and mirrors. I mean, who benefits from a windfall tax on banks, anyway? Not exactly the common person πŸ€‘ And don't even get me started on the so-called 'experts' in the lobby group - they're just trying to spin the narrative to suit their own interests πŸ™„ And what's with all these different taxes and how they're going to supposedly fix everything? It's like, take a deep breath and figure out which ones really matter 🀯
 
I don't know how I feel about this new windfall tax idea on banks profits... it's like they're trying to take advantage of everyone else while making record-breaking profits themselves πŸ€‘. Remember when Lehman Brothers went down in 2008? Now, all these top CEOs walking around with champagne and cash... doesn't seem right at all πŸ˜’.

I mean, I get that the government needs revenue, but isn't it time for them to put some of that pressure on these big banks? It's like they're playing a different game than everyone else. And what about the argument about competitiveness? I'm no expert, but I thought UK Finance was just trying to protect their own interests.

I do think a 50% tax on betting and gambling could raise some serious cash though πŸ€‘. Maybe it won't be popular with some people, but if it's going to help stimulate growth, then so be it.

As for property taxes, I'm not sure I agree with the mansion tax either way... it might just end up pricing out more ordinary families who can't afford those fancy houses anyway πŸ˜•.

National insurance reform sounds like a good idea to me though - we should be taxing people based on what they earn, not just their savings. I mean, remember when your parents used to work hard for every penny and could finally retire? Now it seems like that's not possible anymore...
 
Ugh, can't believe how much money banks are making right now πŸ€‘πŸ“ˆ. It's like they're not even feeling the pinch of inflation themselves. And then there's this lobby group saying it would be bad for business if we taxed their profits more... give me a break! They're just trying to protect their bottom line, as usual πŸ’Έ.

I think what's really needed here is some real accountability from these financial institutions. We need them to contribute fairly and invest in the real economy instead of just lining their own pockets πŸ€‘. And it's not like we don't have the revenue to do it - the idea of a 50% tax on gambling winnings seems pretty reasonable, especially when you consider how much money is being lost to problem gamblers anyway πŸ˜”.

It's all about priorities here, and I think Rachel Reeves needs to take a stand on fairness. We can't keep letting these wealthy elites get away with it while the rest of us struggle πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. The polls may say otherwise, but I think we need more than just short-term popularity - we need real change πŸ”₯.
 
I feel like this is super relevant to our economics class πŸ€‘. I mean, we just learned about the difference between nominal and real GDP, but it's not until we see it in real life that it makes sense. It's crazy how banks can make record-breaking profits while people struggle to pay their bills πŸ’Έ. We should totally look into this more and maybe even write a paper on it πŸ“. I think it would be sick if the government implemented a windfall tax on banks, it would be like leveling the playing field, you know? πŸ€”
 
I'm low-key freaking out about this whole tax situation in the UK 🀯. It's like, the banks are raking it in while everyone else is struggling πŸ€‘. I think a windfall tax on their domestic profits would be a total game-changer πŸ’₯. They need to step up and contribute fairly, you know? 😊 The fact that they're claiming it'll damage competitiveness just doesn't add up, IMHO πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. And can we talk about the whole property tax debate for a sec? 🏠 I'm Team Mansion Tax all the way πŸ’Έ. Those asset-rich pensioners deserve to be able to live comfortably without having to sell their homes πŸ‘΄. It's time for some real change, you know? πŸ’ͺ
 
πŸ˜’ Banks making record profits while households are struggling with inflation? That's just not right πŸ€‘πŸ€― They're not exactly swimming against the tide here, are they? A 35% energy profits levy sounds like a bloody good idea to me πŸ’ΈπŸ”₯ And what's up with all these industry lobbyists trying to block sensible policies? They're more concerned with lining their own pockets than doing what's right for the country πŸ€‘πŸ‘€ As for property taxes, a mansion tax could be a great way to encourage people to downsize and get the market moving again πŸ πŸ’Έ It's time for Rachel Reeves to stop listening to these fat cats and start making some real changes πŸ’ͺ
 
πŸ€” u know what's wild? these ppl who work for lobbyists are literally paid to be annoying πŸ€‘ they're like the ultimate party crashers at a tax reform meeting πŸ’ƒ meanwhile rachel reeves is just trying to do her thing and get some actual progress done πŸ™„ she needs to tune out the noise and trust her own instincts, not let the special interest crowd dictate every move πŸ‘€
 
can u believe ppl think bank profits r more important than helping households struggling w/ inflation? πŸ€‘ like, we're all about fairness here lol, not just a bunch of fat cats sipping champagne while the rest of us are crying over our expenses 😭 they should just pay their fair share, no need 4 elaborate lobby groups defending it πŸ’Έ guess that's why ppl r protesting w/ champagne & cash πŸŽ‰πŸ‘€
 
πŸ˜’ I'm surprised they're not proposing a wealth tax πŸ€‘ instead of a windfall tax - it's like they want to just make bankers richer πŸ’Έ while we're struggling to pay our bills πŸ’ΈπŸ˜©. And don't even get me started on the lobbying groups - all that cash and influence, yeah right πŸ™„! It's time for some real change, not just more empty promises from politicians πŸ€₯. I mean, come on, 35% energy profits levy is not too much to ask πŸ’Έ. It's only fair that banks pay their fair share after taking advantage of our economy πŸ”’.
 
It's wild how these banks are making record profits while people are struggling to make ends meet πŸ€‘πŸ“‰. A 35% energy profits levy sounds like a solid idea to me, it's not like they're doing anything innovative or groundbreaking that would justify keeping all those extra funds for shareholders πŸ’Έ.

And can we talk about how rich people are getting richer and the rest of us are stuck with stagnant wages? πŸ€‘πŸ“‰ It's time for some progressivity in taxation, you know, taxing the wealthy more to help the middle class and those who need it most πŸ’ͺ. I mean, Β£3.2 billion might seem like a lot, but trust me, we can afford it πŸ‘Š.

I'm not surprised that industry lobbyists are being super vocal about opposing these measures πŸ—£οΈ. They just want to keep their gravy train going and wouldn't have it any other way πŸ€ͺ. It's time for Rachel Reeves to stand firm and make some tough decisions πŸ’β€β™€οΈ.
 
omg rachel reeves pls do it!! 🀩 she's got to stand up to those greedy bankers and get them to pay their fair share 😑 if they're making record profits why shouldnt they contribute more to the economy?? πŸ€‘ its not like theyre doing us a solid or anything πŸ™„ meanwhile i'm over here just chillin with my britain player cards lol dont fix what ain't broke, right? 🀣
 
I'm telling you, this whole thing with the banks and taxes is just so frustrating 🀯. I mean, think about it, we're living through an economic crisis and our banks are making record profits while most people's household finances are getting squeezed πŸ“‰. It's like they're not even feeling the pain of inflation or whatever. And then we have these lobbyists showing up, spewing all this nonsense about competitiveness and fairness... come on! πŸ’Έ They just want to protect their precious shareholders' interests.

And don't even get me started on the gambling thing 🎲. £3.2 billion is a pretty sweet chunk of change, but I guess it's better than nothing, right? Still, I feel for those 40,000 jobs that could be lost if they go ahead with the tax hike. It's like our politicians are stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to balance the books while also being all fair and progressive 🀝.

You know what would really help though? If we just took a long, hard look at our economic system and started making some real changes πŸ”„. Not just tinkering around the edges, but actually addressing the root causes of inequality and unfairness. That's where I think Rachel Reeves should focus – not on playing to the lobbyists or trying to appease the public's conflicting opinions πŸ˜’. It's time for some real leadership and vision πŸ’‘.
 
πŸ“ŠπŸ’Έ so yeah like if you look at the UK banks profits they're like 80% higher than pre pandemic levels πŸ“ˆ but they still don't wanna pay more tax right? πŸ€‘ that's crazy! according to the BBC the top 10 richest people in the world are now worth a combined Β£1.4 TRILLION πŸ’Έ it's like they're not affected by the rest of us πŸ’”

πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ did you know that since 2010 there has been an increase of 63% in energy company profits 🚨 meanwhile ordinary householders have seen their average income fall by 3.8% over the same period πŸ“‰ no wonder they're protesting with champagne and cash sacks πŸŽ‰

πŸ“Š and it's not just banks we need to look at here let's talk about gambling πŸ€‘ the UK spent a record Β£1.6 BILLION on gambling in 2020 🀯 that's like, what if we taxed that instead? πŸ’Έ according to the Betting and Gaming Council a 50% tax could raise Β£3.2 billion πŸ’Έ but nope industry lobbyists are all like "no way" πŸ˜’

πŸ“Š on property taxes though I think a mansion tax could be a good idea 🏠 especially since it's only affecting people who can afford to live in a house worth over Β£2 million πŸ€‘ meanwhile ordinary people are still struggling with rising energy bills and council tax πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ
 
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