West Midlands police insist decision to ban Maccabi fans 'not politically influenced'

West Midlands Police Insist Decision to Ban Maccabi Fans Was Not Politically Motivated

The West Midlands police chiefs insisted on Tuesday that the decision to ban fans of Israeli football team Maccabi Tel Aviv from attending a Europa League match against Aston Villa was not influenced by politics. The force's chief constable, Craig Guildford, and commanders involved in the decision-making process testified before the home affairs committee, denying any political influence behind their actions.

According to police, intelligence suggested that Israeli fans would be the primary perpetrators of trouble at the game, which the authorities disputed. However, some MPs expressed outrage over what they described as "one-sided" intelligence gathering, which seemed to inflating the threat posed by Maccabi fans while downplaying potential threats from locals angered by Israel's attacks on Gaza.

The committee also raised concerns about pressure coming from local politicians and community members who advocated for banning away fans. The minutes of Safety Advisory Group (SAG) meetings showed that two councillors were instrumental in pushing for the ban, with one document containing claims that locals might "arm" themselves.

Guildford acknowledged that Maccabi fans had been goading local community members online, but claimed this was part of a heated situation and informed their decision. The fixture was classified as high risk by WMP due to alleged violent clashes and hate crimes during the 2024 Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam.

However, Dutch police disputed the accuracy of this information. Guildford again denied any political influence on the decision, stating that he believed there was no such influence. He also defended claims by committee chair Karen Bradley that it felt like the force was "scraping" to find a reason to justify the ban, saying this was not the case.

The home affairs committee's report is expected to be critical of WMP's handling of the situation, with some suggesting the ban was an attempt to appease antisemitism. The incident has also sparked outrage among opposition parties and Keir Starmer, who denounced the ban as a heavy-handed response.

A separate investigation by His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary is also underway, looking into the intelligence presented by WMP.
 
I don't know... I mean, I think it's crazy that they're denying any politics were involved but at the same time, I'm like, totally buying into that narrative ๐Ÿค”. Like, if I was one of those Maccabi fans and I knew we were getting a hard time from locals online, wouldn't it be pretty stupid to show up and get pummeled? ๐Ÿ˜‚. And I don't blame the police for taking precautions, but maybe they could've done it without kicking out an entire team's worth of fans. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

I mean, come on, if there was no politics involved, then why are all these MPs and politicians making such a fuss about it? ๐Ÿค” And what about those councilors who were pushing for the ban - didn't they have any proof that Maccabi fans were the ones causing all the trouble? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. It's just too suspicious if you ask me... ๐Ÿ‘€
 
๐Ÿค” what's going on with police & Maccabi fans tho? i mean, if there was intel saying they were gonna cause trouble, why didn't they just tell them not to come then? ๐Ÿ™„ seems like a heavy-handed move to me. and that pressure from local politicians is weird too... shouldn't they be working together to keep everyone safe? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ also what's with the stuff about locals arming themselves? that sounds super concerning ๐Ÿ’”
 
๐Ÿค” I'm not buying it that there was no politics involved here. The whole thing feels like a PR stunt to me ๐Ÿ“บ. All this talk about intelligence gathering and pressure from local politicians sounds like some serious whitewashing ๐Ÿšฎ. What really got my attention is the claim that Maccabi fans were goading locals online - yeah, sure, but wasn't that just part of the whole problem? It's like the police are trying to spin a narrative where they're the good guys and everyone else is just a troublemaker ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.

And what about those councillors who pushed for the ban? Were they just random people or did someone have their back ๐Ÿค‘? This whole thing reeks of institutional racism, if you ask me ๐Ÿ‘€.
 
I don't think it's cool that some fans are being unfairly targeted because of their team's Israel connection ๐Ÿ˜•. I mean, I get that there might have been some bad behavior from certain groups in the past, but banning an entire group of people is pretty extreme ๐Ÿค”. It's like, we should be focusing on addressing the real issues and not lumping everyone together based on a few bad apples ๐Ÿ‘Ž.

And what's with all the pressure coming from local politicians and community members? Can't they see that this is just going to create more problems and hurt innocent fans? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ It's like, let's try to have an open and fair discussion about the issues instead of trying to silence people who don't agree with us ๐Ÿ’ฌ.

I'm also not buying all the claims that intelligence suggested Israeli fans would be trouble at the game ๐Ÿ“Š. If there was really only a risk from them, why didn't they just take extra precautions or have more officers on hand? It seems like a lot of assumptions were made and some people got caught up in it ๐Ÿ˜’.

Anyway, I hope the investigation into WMP's intelligence gathering turns up some answers and helps to clear things up ๐Ÿ•ต๏ธโ€โ™€๏ธ. We should all be able to go to matches without worrying about being unfairly targeted just because of where our team is from ๐Ÿ˜Š.
 
omg i'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole situation ๐Ÿคฏ the fact that police chiefs are saying their decision wasn't influenced by politics but the evidence seems kinda sketchy ๐Ÿค‘ like what's up with the intel that said Israeli fans were gonna be the troublemakers? didn't they have any other info on potential problems? ๐Ÿ˜’ and what's with the pressure from local politicians and community members? it feels like a pretty one-sided argument against Maccabi fans ๐Ÿ‘Š meanwhile i'm not buying all this about them being the aggressors either ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ gotta keep an eye on that separate investigation by HMIC too ๐Ÿ’ก
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing ๐Ÿคฏ... I mean, you gotta feel for both sides, right? On one hand, you've got Maccabi fans who have been making some pretty inflammatory comments online ๐Ÿšซ, which is totally unacceptable and needs to be addressed. But on the other hand, it does seem like there might have been a bit of bias in the way the intelligence was presented, especially when it comes to downplaying potential threats from locals ๐Ÿ‘ฅ.

I've got friends who are Jewish and they're super upset about this whole thing ๐Ÿค•... but at the same time, I can see why the authorities would want to take steps to ensure public safety. It's a tricky balance to strike, you know? The police chiefs seem genuinely convinced that there was no political motivation behind their decision ๐Ÿ’ฏ, but it's hard to shake the feeling that something fishy went down ๐ŸŸ. Only time (and the investigation) will tell ๐Ÿ•ฐ๏ธ.
 
Yeah I'm not surprised they're trying to spin this one... like, come on, a whole bunch of locals gettin' all salty about Israel's actions in Gaza? It's not exactly rocket science to figure out who's gonna be the troublemakers at a football match ๐Ÿ™„. And those councillors think they can just whip up some "locals might arm themselves" drama? Please... next thing you know, they'll be sayin' the fans were the ones startin' the fights online ๐Ÿ˜’. I mean, I'm all for keepin' it safe at these matches, but c'mon, don't make this out to be somethin' it's not... ๐Ÿ™ƒ
 
๐Ÿค” When you point one finger at politics, three fingers point back at the mess we've created ๐Ÿšจ๐Ÿ’ฅ - that's what's going on here with the Maccabi fans ban. It feels like there are too many conflicting narratives and not enough transparency from the authorities. The fact that some politicians and community members were pushing for the ban is concerning, but so is the intelligence gathering process itself. Did they really think to find a reason to justify the ban? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
I'm literally fuming about this whole thing ๐Ÿคฌ!!! I mean what's wrong with people? It's like they're assuming that just because someone's from a different country or has a different skin colour, they're automatically gonna be trouble ๐Ÿ™„. I get it, no one wants violence at the stadium, but come on! Are we really gonna stigmatise an entire group of fans based on some online beefs? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

And what's with the 'intelligence' that supposedly suggested Maccabi fans were the ones causing trouble? That sounds like total made-up nonsense ๐Ÿ“. I mean, what's next? Ban all British fans from attending a European match just because of past incidents? It's just so unfair and heavy-handed ๐Ÿ’”.

I'm also super annoyed that local politicians and community members got involved in this and basically bullied the police into making the decision ๐Ÿคฅ. That's not how you handle a situation like this! You should be working together to find solutions, not trying to silence people or stifle their rights ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ.

This whole thing just feels like a mess ๐Ÿ“ฆ, and I'm so disappointed that it had to come to this ๐Ÿ’”. Can't we all just get along? ๐Ÿ˜”
 
I don't know what's more cringeworthy, the fact that the police thought they could just "scrape" together some flimsy excuses to justify banning Maccabi fans or the politicians who got all worked up about it . I mean, come on, if intelligence suggested a problem, why wasn't there any info about potential supporters having a good time? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

And honestly, if people are gonna start arm-twisting cops and councillors over this, shouldn't they at least get the facts straight first? It's not like Maccabi fans were running around Amsterdam with pitchforks . This whole thing just feels like a big mess. ๐Ÿ˜’
 
I think it's pretty shady that the police are saying there was no politics involved in banning Maccabi fans, considering they've been downplaying potential threats from locals who might be upset about Israel's actions on Gaza ๐Ÿค”. Meanwhile, the fact that two councillors were instrumental in pushing for the ban and claimed that locals might "arm" themselves is some pretty concerning stuff ๐Ÿ’ก. It also makes me wonder if there was any real evidence of Maccabi fans being troublemakers or not, or if it was all just a bunch of bad intel ๐Ÿšจ.

I'm also getting a vibe that the police were trying to appease people who might be upset about Israel's actions, rather than focusing on actual safety concerns ๐Ÿ”’. It's always hard to know what's going on behind closed doors, but it seems like there are some questions about how this whole situation went down ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.

What do you think happened here? Do you trust the police to make decisions based on facts, or is there something more going on?
 
I think it's kinda weird that police chiefs are denying any politics involved but intel suggested Israeli fans would be troublemakers ๐Ÿค” meanwhile locals were getting all worked up over Israel's Gaza attacks and now the police chief is saying no political influence ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ meanwhile, Dutch police are disputing some of this info ๐Ÿ‘€ it feels like a lot of assumptions being made here ๐Ÿšจ gotta wonder what really went down behind closed doors ๐Ÿ˜’
 
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