Now that Israel has admitted the Gaza death toll is accurate, don't let apologists move the goalposts | Ben Reiff

Israel's admission that its estimated death toll in Gaza is accurate has come too late for many. The damage control efforts are already underway as officials and apologists attempt to shift the goalposts on the scale of civilian casualties.

What was always clear, however, is that the UN has verified the health ministry's figures and that they contain an unprecedented level of detail. Every victim's identity, including name, date of birth, gender and ID number, is meticulously recorded. This was not something that could be fabricated or exaggerated by Hamas.

Despite this, prominent voices in Israel and the US had long dismissed the health ministry as unreliable. Many argued that the death toll was an overestimation or even a fabrication by Hamas. This misinformation campaign served to erode trust in the data and hinder efforts to provide aid to those affected.

However, it appears that some of these apologists are already trying to redefine what is considered acceptable when it comes to civilian casualties. The argument that while 70,000 deaths may be accurate, the ratio of civilians to militants does not make them "innocent" is a classic case of moving the goalposts.

The definition of what constitutes a militant is also critical in this debate. Israel's own intelligence database reveals that over 60% of Gaza's territory remains occupied and subject to military control. Those living within these areas are automatically labeled as suspects, regardless of their involvement with Hamas or any other group.

It's worth noting that the health ministry's figures do not include those still under rubble or "indirect" deaths from starvation and disease. Various scientific studies have estimated the true death toll may be far higher than 100,000.

In conclusion, Israel's admission is a step in the right direction but it comes too late to mitigate the harm caused by years of denial and misinformation. The climate of doubt surrounding the health ministry's data allowed Israel to continue its bombardment with impunity, resulting in catastrophic consequences for civilians.
 
omg u cant believe the audacity of those ppl who denied the death toll was legit 🀯 i mean like how can u just dismiss the UN verified figures from the health ministry and then try to shift the goalposts now? it's like they want to rewrite history or something.

and btw what even is with the definition of a militant? 60% of gaza is still under military control so who gets to decide who's a suspect? πŸ€” it just doesn't add up. i mean i get that israel's got security concerns but come on, you cant just label entire neighborhoods as "militant" zones and expect ppl to just sit back and wait for their fate.

and dont even get me started on the "but 70k deaths is still a lot of people" nonsense πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ like yeah i get it, it's a huge number but at what cost? countless families left without loved ones, homes destroyed, lives shattered. it's not just about numbers, its about human lives.

i think this whole thing is just another example of how the powerful will always try to cover up their tracks and shift the blame 🚫 so sad that we're still living in a world where ppl can deny reality like this.
 
πŸ€• This news feels like a really belated attempt at damage control 🚨. I mean, it's not like anyone thought the numbers were made up by Hamas or anything... we all know that's not true πŸ’―. The real issue here is how long it took Israel to admit the truth and how many lives were lost in the meantime 😒. And now they're trying to redefine what constitutes a "civilian" πŸ€”? It's just a clever way of saying "we're not really sorry" πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ. We need to hold people accountable for their actions, not try to spin them into something more palatable πŸ‘€.
 
man i just saw the funniest vid on tiktok of a cat playing piano πŸˆπŸ’Ž it was like the cat was trying to compose its own symphony lol anyway back to israel and gaza i wonder if they ever think about the actual cost of all that warfare on the environment? i mean like, have you seen pics of the destruction in gaza after those intense airstrikes? it's like a war crime against nature too πŸŒͺ️
 
πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ come on forum moderators can't you do anything about these trolls? they keep changing the rules left and right it's like they're trying to confuse us on purpose πŸ™„. seriously though how hard is it to stick to one set of guidelines? this whole thing is just a headache 😩.
 
πŸ€• this is so messed up πŸ€• i cant believe the damage control efforts are already on...i mean what took them so long to admit? and yeah the health ministrys figures have been verified by the UN πŸ™Œ but it's all too little too late now...70k deaths is still a staggering number...and those 60% of gaza territory that's occupied is like, where do you even begin? 🀯 the fact that civilians are labeled as suspects just because they live in an "occupied" area is like, so messed up...and what about all the indirect deaths from starvation and disease that aren't even included in those 70k numbers? it's like, yeah we've got a number but does anyone actually know how many people were really affected? πŸ€”
 
Ugh 🀯, this just sums up the state of our world, you know? All these politicians and media people playing games with numbers and facts to avoid accountability. Like, 100k+ dead people and no one's gonna get held responsible? It's just not right πŸ˜”. I mean, who cares about "militants" and ratios and all that jazz? Innocent lives lost is what matters πŸ’”. And those "apologists" trying to shift the blame... please πŸ™„. The fact that Israel knew their own intel showed 60% of Gaza was occupied and still bombed anyway, that's just a huge red flag πŸ”΄. I wish people would focus on real solutions instead of spinning this narrative 😩.
 
This is a somber development πŸ€•...the delay in acknowledging the actual death toll in Gaza is staggering, especially considering the UN's verification of the figures. It's mind-boggling that despite the meticulous recording of every victim's identity, many still refused to accept the reality on the ground πŸ™„. The attempt to redefine what constitutes a civilian casualty by emphasizing the ratio of militants to civilians is a classic case of intellectual dishonesty πŸ˜’. It's essential to acknowledge that those living under military occupation are not necessarily combatants, regardless of their involvement with Hamas or any other group πŸ’‘. The true death toll may be significantly higher than 100,000, and it's crucial that we focus on providing aid to those affected rather than rehashing the same talking points 🀝.
 
🀯 I'm still trying to wrap my head around this - 100k+ deaths? That's just devastating. And can you believe people thought those numbers were exaggerated or fabricated by Hamas?! It's like they didn't even care about the truth πŸ™„. The fact that Israel's officials are now acknowledging the death toll is a step in the right direction, but it's way too little, way too late πŸ˜”. I mean, what took them so long to accept the numbers? And now they're trying to shift the goalposts by saying the ratio of civilians to militants doesn't make them "innocent"? Give me a break πŸ™„. It's all about moving the blame and dodging responsibility. And let's not forget, those living in occupied territories are already suspects just because of where they live πŸ˜•. The health ministry's data is clear, but it seems like some people don't want to see the truth or care about the consequences πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ.
 
man this is so heartbreaking πŸ€• i cant believe ppl were doubting those numbers, like didnt they see all the vids on social media? πŸ“Ή it just goes to show how easy it is to spread misinformation and hurt ppl's trust. what really bothers me tho is that some ppl are trying to shift the blame and redefine who's considered a "militant". its not okay to label ppl as suspects just bc they live in an occupied area, thats just discriminatory 🚫
 
omg u no i just saw this vid of a sea otter on youtube πŸΎπŸ˜‚ it was so cute! like, who knew they could hold their breath for so long? 4 min 23 sec ish lol anyway back to the Gaza situation...i feel bad for those ppl but like what's the point of knowing the exact death toll if no one's gonna do anything about it? πŸ€” it's just a number on a piece of paper, right? but hey at least now we have more accurate info which is a step in the right direction, i guess...
 
lol what a mess 🀯 i mean i feel bad for all those people who lost their loved ones but like how can u just sit there & deny it 4 so long ?? i dont think it's that hard 2 see the damage 4 ur actions r u guys outta ur minds ?? anyway glad the truth is finally out but too little too late imho
 
πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ like I know, admission comes after the fact, right? Can't just magically fix the past 2 yrs of denial & misinformation πŸ™„. And btw, 100k+ deaths is a whole different story, but yeah, the health ministry's numbers are legit πŸ“Š. Those "apologists" trying to shift goalposts now are just doing it for PR πŸ€₯. The fact remains, Israel knew the real death toll & did nothing πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ. Can we pls focus on the present & future instead of who's spinning what? πŸ’”
 
ugh... I cant believe this 🀯. Israel admitting that their death toll in Gaza is accurate is way late and Im not surprised theyre trying to spin it now. Like, why didnt they just say the truth from the start? πŸ™„ It's crazy how people in positions of power can be so dishonest and manipulative.

And seriously, who labels civilians as "suspects" just because they live in areas occupied by the military? That's not right at all 😑. The health ministries figures may not include everyone, but at least it shows that theyre trying to give a real number. We need more transparency like this, not less.

I also wonder how many more people would have died if we hadnt been misled by misinformation πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. Its just devastating that this has happened and I hope Israel learns from their mistakes πŸ’”.
 
πŸ€” I mean, think about it, if 70k deaths is a low estimate, then what's the real number? πŸ’€ 100k+, like that study said. And those people under rubble, they're not even counted. It's all just numbers, right? πŸ“Š But seriously, who gets to decide when someone's a militant or not? It sounds like Israel's got some serious skeletons in their closet, and now they're trying to hide 'em behind "moving the goalposts". 🚫 What's next? They'll be like, "Oh, we didn't mean to kill civilians, it was just an accident"... πŸ˜’
 
πŸ˜• i cant believe its been so long since israel admitted they got their death toll right πŸ˜’ like what took them so long 2 admit? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ anway i think its sad that they were able 2 spin the narrative so hard b4 now πŸ“‰ didnt help that all the ppl who werent payin attention just swallowed whatever israel threw out there πŸ™„ but we r seein more & more evidence 2 show thats these deaths r real πŸ’” its about time we start takin some responsibility for our words πŸ™
 
lol what took them so long to admit it? like come on 70k is just a drop in the bucket compared to what really went down here ... and btw i'm calling BS on this "militants" definition they're trying to spin its all about who gets labeled as a suspect regardless of whether they were involved or not πŸ€”πŸš«
 
omg 🀯 i cant believe izrael is finally admitting to the death toll in gaza... but like, it was so obvious from the start πŸ™„ the UN verified all those details and everything! its not that hard ppl πŸ˜‚. but what pisses me off is how some ppl are already trying to spin this by saying its not about "innocent" civilians lol what does that even mean? doesnt everyone deserve to live w/o fear of being killed? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
I'm so done with all this spin πŸ™„. It's been clear for ages that the health ministry's numbers are legit, but still, you had these people in power trying to downplay it or make excuses... like, what's next? Are they gonna say the number of Jews living in Israel is a "minority" too? πŸ˜’

And yeah, let's not forget, those 60% of Gazans who live under military control - that's basically everyone πŸ’”. So, if you're innocent, why are you automatically labeled as a suspect? It doesn't add up, man.

I wish more people were calling out the BS when it comes to Gaza... we need some real truth-telling around here πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ. The fact is, Israel's been playing with fire for years, and it's time someone held them accountable πŸ’₯.
 
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