Western leaders at G20 say US peace plan for Ukraine 'will require work'

Western Leaders Weigh In on US Peace Plan for Ukraine.

The draft US peace plan for ending the war in Ukraine has been met with skepticism from Western leaders at the G20 summit in Johannesburg, who have expressed concerns that it will require "additional work" to be implemented. The 28-point plan, which was leaked earlier this week, includes some of Russia's demands, such as handing over areas of Ukraine's eastern Donbas region and limiting its military.

European leaders have met on the sidelines of the summit to discuss their response to the plan, with a joint statement acknowledging that it includes "important elements" but also stating that borders should not be changed by force. The statement was signed by leaders from Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Ireland, Finland, Norway, and the EU, as well as prime ministers from Canada and Japan.

The UK's Prime Minister Keir Starmer said that Western leaders were concerned about the US proposals to cap Ukraine's military, as it would undermine the country's ability to defend itself if there was a ceasefire. He also noted that the consensus among allies was that some elements of the plan were essential for lasting peace but required further work.

In contrast to Western leaders, French President Emmanuel Macron questioned the effectiveness of the G20, saying that the group is "at risk" due to its inability to find common ground and resolve major crises. He also emphasized that any solution in Ukraine must be based on respect for Ukrainian sovereignty.

The US will meet with Ukraine and European national security advisers in Switzerland next week to discuss the framework, while President Cyril Ramaphosa of South Africa hosted the G20 leaders to emphasize the group's importance for international cooperation despite concerns about Trump's absence.
 
omg u guys r not seein what's goin on here? the west is just tryna placate russia with this peace plan, but what's really at stake? they're basically sayin "ok russa, we'll let u have some of ur territory if u behave" and then expect us to just roll over. i mean, where's the real motive? is it just about stoppin the war or is there somethin more goin on? france is right, though - this whole thing needs a bigger picture view, but who's doin the thinkin here?

and dont even get me started on keir starmer's comments... capin ukraine's military is defo gonna make them vulnerable to russia, and its not like they'd be able to defend themselves w/o american backup. something fishy's goin down, im tellin ya
 
I'm surprised these Western leaders are being so cautious about the US peace plan πŸ€”. I mean, Russia is already taking over parts of Ukraine, and now they want them back? It's not like it's a new thing, right? The whole point of the G20 summit should be to find solutions to major problems like this... but instead we're stuck debating whether or not to change borders by force πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ. And what about the US military being capped? That's just gonna leave Ukraine defenseless against Russia - it's a recipe for disaster πŸ”₯. And let's not forget, Macron is right on point with the G20 group being all talk and no action πŸ˜’. We need some real leaders who can put aside their differences and work towards peace... but I guess that's too much to ask πŸ™„.
 
I'm not sure if the Western leaders are being too cautious but it does sound like they want to make sure Ukraine can defend itself before making any big changes πŸ€”. I mean, can you imagine Russia just handing over areas of Donbas without getting anything in return? That would be a major red flag for everyone involved. The US is trying to broker peace and this plan might not be perfect but it's a start πŸ’‘. Maybe Western leaders are just being realistic about how negotiations work - sometimes compromises have to be made for the sake of progress 🀝.
 
so they're not down with the US plan lol πŸ€” I get why the UK is worried about capping Ukraine's military tho 🚫 it doesn't make sense if they're gonna just give up their sovereignty and then expect Russia to respect it idk... but at the same time, some of those points in the 28-point plan do sound pretty reasonable like handing over Donbas region and limiting Russian military presence 🀝 what I'm really curious about is how this is all gonna play out with Macron and his concerns about the G20 πŸ€”
 
I'm thinking this peace plan is just a Band-Aid on a bullet wound πŸ€•. These Western leaders are right to question it - capping Ukraine's military might not be the best idea, and we can't just ignore Russia's demands like they're nothing. I mean, have you seen the Donbas region? It's been a powder keg for years, and now they want us to just hand it over? Not a chance 🚫

And what about all these countries signing off on this joint statement about borders not being changed by force? Sounds like a cop-out to me. We can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend like this is gonna be easy. Newsflash: peace in Ukraine isn't gonna happen overnight πŸ’€.

I'm all for finding common ground, but we need more substance here πŸ“. The US needs to go back to the drawing board and come up with a real plan that doesn't leave so many things open to interpretation ⏰.
 
I'm not sure if I completely buy into this 28-point plan just yet πŸ€”. Don't get me wrong, it's a good start that the US is trying to address the situation in Ukraine, but some of these points seem like they're taking things from Russia's playbook. Like, handing over areas of eastern Ukraine's Donbas region? That's not exactly what Ukraine wants, and I can see why Western leaders would be skeptical about it πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ.

I do think the US is on to something with capping Ukraine's military, though - if there is a ceasefire, they don't want them going all guns blazing just because they're worried about being taken advantage of 😬. But at the same time, I feel like some of these other demands are pretty unrealistic, especially from Russia πŸ™„.

I guess what worries me is that this whole thing might be a case of "good enough" rather than actually finding a real solution πŸ’‘. We need to make sure we're not just papering over problems without actually addressing the root causes of the conflict 🀝.
 
idk why all these western leaders are being super cautious about this us peace plan πŸ€”... like, isn't it better than nothing? 😐 they're worried that capping ukraine's military will leave them defenseless if there's a ceasefire, but can't we just compromise on something in between? πŸ’Έ also, i think macron has a point about the g20 being kinda useless πŸ™„... how is it supposed to find common ground when everyone's too busy bickering? 🀯
 
😊 I feel like all these world leaders are putting so much pressure on Ukraine, they just wanna find peace but its like nobody is listening to each other 🀯. They're talking about borders not being changed by force, but what does that even mean? Is it really possible for them to agree on everything? πŸ€” And I get why the US is trying to capp the military of Ukraine, but can't they see how worried Ukraine is about its own safety? πŸ€• Its like they're all just talking past each other πŸ’¬.
 
so theres this us peace plan for ukraine and western leaders are all like "meh" its got some good points but they gotta put in more work lolπŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ its like keir starmer is saying the plan needs a tweak to make it more defensible for ukraine but at the same time, french president emmanuel macron is over here saying that g20s effectiveness is shot because they cant find common ground πŸ€” and he also emphasizes respect for ukrainian sovereignty which is fair i guessπŸ‘Š
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole US peace plan thing πŸ€”. Western leaders are being pretty cautious with their reactions, which I get - it's a big deal. But I think what's really got them spooked is the idea of capping Ukraine's military strength 🚫. It feels like they're already losing control in Ukraine, and now they want to limit their own army's ability to defend themselves? That just doesn't add up to me.

And what's with all the back-and-forth between the US and Russia on this plan? 🀝 I know Russia has some valid concerns about their own territory being taken over, but at the same time, they're basically asking for a free pass to do whatever they want in Ukraine. It's like they think the whole world is just going to roll over and let them have it πŸ’Έ.

I'm all for finding peace in Ukraine, but we need to be careful not to compromise our values or create more problems down the line πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ. Maybe this plan needs some more work...
 
πŸ€” I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be so quick to dismiss the US peace plan just because Western leaders are skeptical. I mean, at least they're acknowledging that some elements of the plan are important, right? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ It feels like we're just playing politics again instead of trying to find a real solution to this conflict.

I think what's really at play here is that everyone wants Ukraine to be able to defend itself, but no one wants to risk escalating things further. The idea of capping Ukraine's military seems like a non-starter for now, but I wonder if there's a way to make it work in the long run? 🀝

It's also interesting to see how Macron is emphasizing the importance of respecting Ukrainian sovereignty. That's something we should all be behind, don't you think? πŸ™Œ But can we really find common ground with Russia on this one? πŸ€”
 
Wow, I'm kinda surprised that Western leaders are still skeptical about the US peace plan πŸ€”. It seems like they want to make sure it works before putting their full weight behind it πŸ’ͺ. The fact that some of Russia's demands are included in the 28-point plan is a bit concerning though πŸ‘€. Border changes shouldn't be forced, as Emmanuel Macron said πŸ‘Š. Still, I think it's great that European leaders are coming together to discuss this and finding common ground 🀝. Maybe we'll see some progress soon πŸ“ˆ.
 
I'm not sure I buy into this whole peace plan thing... I mean, it sounds great on paper but we need to think about the logistics and who gets what in the end πŸ€”. The fact that it includes some of Russia's demands is a bit worrying for me - don't get me wrong, stability is key, but shouldn't we be prioritizing Ukrainian sovereignty over Russian interests? And capping Ukraine's military just seems like a recipe for disaster... I know Western leaders are concerned about Ukraine's ability to defend itself, but what if the plan doesn't work out as expected? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

I do think there's value in having European leaders come together and express their concerns, though. We need to keep pushing for a solution that works for everyone involved. The thing is, it's not going to be easy - Ukraine has been through so much, and we can't just waltz in and expect everything to go smoothly πŸ’ͺ. Maybe the US should consider revising some of their demands or working with Ukraine directly... who knows? πŸ€”
 
πŸ€” this peace plan is all over the place... like western leaders are saying it has some good points but also requires more work. i mean, whats with the cap on ukraine's military tho? thats just gonna leave them vulnerable to russia's aggression imo πŸš«πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦. european leaders are trying to be diplomatic about it but france is like "g20 is failing us" lol maybe theyre right tho? πŸ˜‚
 
so its like, i get why western leaders are skeptical about the US peace plan... its a big ask for ukraine to hand over parts of donbas region and stuff. but at the same time, like, theres gotta be some way to find common ground here πŸ€”... if we dont try, things will just keep escalating and people will get hurt. i mean, i feel bad for russia too, theyre being punished for something thats not entirely their fault.

anyway, im just wondering if western leaders are trying too hard to protect ukraine's sovereignty at the expense of finding a real solution πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ... like, can we find a middle ground where ukraine gets some autonomy and russia is still not completely in the clear? its like, we need to think about what will last for real.
 
idk what to think about this peace plan πŸ€”... it sounds like a good start, but at the same time, I'm not sure if western leaders are just being cautious or actually have some valid concerns πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ... the fact that they're saying borders shouldn't be changed by force is kinda vague, though - what does that even mean? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ and i don't get why keir starmer is so against capping ukraine's military 🚫... isn't that just common sense to want to prevent more bloodshed? πŸ’” on the other hand, emmanuel macron's critique of the g20 feels kinda fair, but at the same time, it's like he's expecting too much from the group - can't they just have some basic coordination and agreement on major issues? 🀯
 
πŸ€” I'm not surprised by the Western leaders' skepticism towards the US peace plan for Ukraine. The fact that it includes some of Russia's demands, such as handing over areas of Donbas region and limiting its military, raises red flags about the plan's legitimacy and effectiveness. 🚨

It seems to me that the Western leaders are right to point out that certain elements of the plan require further work before they can be considered acceptable. Capping Ukraine's military capabilities could indeed undermine its ability to defend itself in the event of a ceasefire, which would be counterproductive to achieving lasting peace.

On the other hand, I agree with French President Macron's emphasis on respect for Ukrainian sovereignty being crucial to any solution in Ukraine. This is a key principle that should underpin any negotiations, and it's surprising that some Western leaders are not pushing harder for this to be recognized. πŸ™

The fact that the US will meet with Ukraine and European national security advisers next week suggests that they're committed to finding a solution that works for all parties involved. I hope that their discussions lead to a more robust plan that takes into account the concerns of all stakeholders. πŸ’‘
 
I'm telling you, something fishy is going on here... πŸ€” Western leaders are only expressing concern about the plan because they want to keep Ukraine in a state of limbo so they can continue to sell them military equipment and keep their defense industries thriving. It's all about the Benjamins, baby! πŸ’Έ And don't even get me started on France - Macron is just trying to stir up drama and make it seem like he's the only one who cares about Ukraine's sovereignty. Meanwhile, the US is still pushing for a ceasefire that would benefit Russia more than Ukraine. It's all part of the same agenda... 😏
 
the idea that western leaders are skeptical about the us peace plan is kinda expected πŸ€”... i mean, russia's demands aren't exactly gonna sit well with everyone in europe, especially if it means giving up control of eastern ukraine πŸ’₯... and now keir starmer is saying we can't just limit ukraine's military capabilities? that's like asking a country to disarm without even having a ceasefire πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ... meanwhile france is all about respect for ukrainian sovereignty, but let's be real, it's not always easy for us to agree on anything when our interests are so different πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
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