Why isn't there more outdoor dining in NYC? City says restaurants aren't applying.

New York City's Outdoor Dining Program Faces Criticism as Participation Falls Short of Expectations.

A recent hearing before the City Council revealed that a new outdoor dining program in New York City is failing to meet its potential due to restrictive regulations and a cumbersome application process. Despite having over 12,000 restaurants participate in the pandemic-era initiative, only about 400 restaurants have completed the licensing process for the current year under the city's Dining Out NYC program.

Transportation Commissioner Ydanis Rodriguez attributed the low participation rates to various factors, including the complexity of the application process and the costs associated with it. Restaurants are required to pay $2,100 for a license that allows them to operate both on roadways and sidewalks, as well as "consent fees" based on the space they'll use.

Rodriguez suggested streamlining the review process by eliminating community board approval, but many restaurant owners disagree, citing concerns over the cost and logistical burden of setting up and tearing down seasonal outdoor dining setups. Some even expressed frustration with the current system's restrictive rules, including a requirement to pay for street space upfront for an entire year.

Critics argue that these regulations are causing restaurants to opt out of the program altogether. The NYC Hospitality Alliance has proposed reforms to expand outdoor dining and make it more accessible to businesses. The alliance suggests eliminating some of the review layers and making the application process less burdensome, allowing restaurants to focus on serving customers rather than navigating complex bureaucratic hurdles.

As the season comes to an end, the city is considering bills to reform and expand outdoor dining. While sidewalk cafes are already allowed year-round, roadway dining has been concentrated in Manhattan below 96th Street, a far cry from the goal of creating a vibrant five-borough program. Some argue that the high costs associated with operating seasonal outdoor dining setups are driving restaurants out of business.

The city's outdoor dining program is seen as a key component of its efforts to boost economic activity and improve the quality of life for New Yorkers. However, the restrictive regulations and cumbersome application process have raised concerns among restaurant owners and local businesses. As the debate over the program's future continues, one thing is clear: something needs to change in order to bring outdoor dining back to a level that meets its potential.
 
man i feel so bad for these restaurants they wanna do their part but the city is making it super hard for them πŸ€• like whats up with the $2100 license fee? and the application process is already complicated enough without having to deal with community board approval πŸ™„ gotta simplify this whole thing so restaurants can focus on serving good food instead of dealing with all these hoops πŸ‘
 
omg i dont get why they need to pay 2100 for a license lol thats like rent money πŸ€‘πŸ€― and why do they have to pay for street space upfront tho? cant they just, like, negotiate or something? i mean im all for outdoor dining but this sounds super stressful 😩 and what if restaurants are small ones they cant afford that kinda cost? the city should def make it more affordable πŸ€”
 
I'm so bummed about this outdoor dining program πŸ€•. I know it was supposed to be a great way to boost economic activity and make NYC feel more lively, but it just doesn't seem like it's working out 🚫. 12k restaurants signed up in the pandemic era, that's awesome! But now only 400 are participating? It's gotta be those regulations, man... $2100 license fee is insane πŸ’Έ. And what's with all these extra "consent fees"? It's like they're trying to nickel & dime the restaurants πŸ€‘. Streamlining the review process sounds like a good idea, I'm all for it! Let's get some more businesses participating and make outdoor dining what it should be - a fun way to enjoy the city with friends and family πŸ‘.
 
I FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS BEING A BIT TOO BUREAUCRATIC WHEN IT COMES TO OUTDOOR DINING! I MEAN, $2100 FOR A LICENSE IS CRAZY! AND THE REVIEW PROCESS IS SO COMPLICATED!!! 🀯 RESTAURANTS JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON SERVING CUSTOMERS NOT NAVIGATING RED TAPE. i THINK THE CITY SHOULD LISTEN TO THE NYC HOSPITALITY ALLIANCE'S PROPOSALS AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESTAURANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. WE NEED MORE SIDEWALK CAFES EVERYWHERE, ESPECIALLY IN QUEENS AND BROOKLYN! πŸŒ†πŸ’Ό
 
you know what's crazy? i was just at this food truck festival last weekend and they had these amazing desserts from this tiny bakery in brooklyn πŸ°πŸ‘€ and it got me thinking, have you guys ever tried those 'cascara' lattes? like, coffee made from tea-like leaves or something? and then i started wondering, what's the deal with people getting all worked up about outdoor dining in nyc? it's just a table on the sidewalk, right? πŸ˜‚πŸ΄ anyway, gotta say, $2100 for a license to set up a little outdoor spot is kinda crazy... πŸ€‘
 
I think it's crazy that restaurants have to pay $2,100 just to set up their own outdoor tables! 🀯 That's like asking them to take out a second mortgage or something. And the "consent fees" based on space used is just ridiculous. It feels like the city is more interested in collecting revenue than supporting local businesses. I get that they want to make money, but come on...

I'm all for streamlining the process and making it easier for restaurants to set up shop outside, especially during the pandemic when everyone was stuck indoors anyway. The NYC Hospitality Alliance makes a solid point about eliminating some of those review layers and making the app process less burdensome. It's time for the city to take another look at their regulations and make outdoor dining more accessible to all businesses, not just the ones with deep pockets πŸ’Έ
 
omg u wont bliev this 🀯 new york citys outdoor dinin prog is failin so bad πŸ€• 12k restaurants joined pandemic era init but only 400 got licens for now 🚫 they gotta pay $2100 and dont even get me started on the "consent fees" lmao πŸ€‘ its like they wanna strangle the industry 😩 ydanis rodriguez thinks simplifying app process will solve it πŸ€” but restaurants are all like "no way we cant afford this" 🚫 nyc hospitality alliance is tryna reform but its like they're speakin a diff language πŸ—£οΈ costs r drivin restaurants outta biz lol πŸ‘Ž
 
I mean, what's up with these city regulations? You gotta pay $2k just to set up a little patio and some tables 🀯? It's like they're trying to strangle the life out of small businesses. And don't even get me started on the paperwork – who thought it was a good idea to add "consent fees" to the mix? πŸ“ It's no wonder only 400 restaurants are participating when you've got a process that's more complicated than a tax audit.

And let's be real, the whole thing is kinda ridiculous. They're trying to promote outdoor dining, but they're making it so expensive and hard to set up that it's like, why bother? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ I mean, if you want to make it easy for restaurants to participate, then maybe you should simplify the process a bit. Like, eliminate some of the red tape (pun intended) and let them focus on serving food instead of fighting with the city. πŸ’ͺ
 
Ugh man I'm so done with this NYC outdoor dining program lol πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ it's like they're trying to suffocate the restaurants or something! $2,100 for a license? That's crazy talk! And don't even get me started on the community board approval thing... who thought that was a good idea? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

I mean I get it, they wanna make sure everything is safe and all that but come on! Restaurants are already struggling to stay afloat as it is. They need some flexibility not this restrictive bs. And what's up with the high costs associated with operating outdoor dining setups? It's like they're pricing them out of business or something πŸ€‘

I'm all for reforming the program and making it more accessible to businesses but like... let's keep it simple, ya know? πŸ€“ Streamline the application process, reduce the fees, and let restaurants focus on serving their customers. That's what I want to see, not this bureaucratic nightmare 😩
 
I feel so bad for those restaurants πŸ€•! They're already paying crazy fees to set up shop on the sidewalk πŸ€‘, and now they gotta deal with all these extra red tape? πŸ˜’ It's like the city is trying to strangle them 🚫. I mean, come on, $2,100 just to use a little road space for outdoor seating? That's highway robbery! πŸš— And what's up with the community board approval process? Can't they just let restaurants decide if they wanna try it out or not? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ It's all just so... frustrating 😩. I'm totally down for some reforms and changes to make outdoor dining more accessible to everyone πŸ’‘. Maybe we can figure out a way to make it work without breaking the bank πŸ’Έ.
 
I think its totally bonkers how much red tape these restaurants are dealing with! They just wanna serve some sick food & vibes out on the sidewalk, but noooo, they gotta jump through all these hoops first πŸ€―πŸ’Έ $2100 for a license? Are you kidding me?! It's like they're trying to make it as hard as possible for them to participate. I get that safety is important and all, but come on! The city should be supporting local businesses, not strangling them with regulations πŸ˜©πŸ‘Ž
 
I'm tellin' ya, it's like they're killin' the whole vibe of outdoor dinin' πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ. I get why they wanna make some rules, but $2,100 for a license? That's just ridiculous πŸ’Έ. And don't even get me started on them consent fees, it's like they're tryin' to squeeze every last penny outta restaurants.

I mean, I'm all for helpin' small businesses and all, but if the system is too complicated, people are gonna stay away. It's not just about the cost, it's about the hassle of dealin' with all those regulations. And what's up with the rules, anyway? Can't they just let restaurants figure out their own thing for once?

I'm all for reform, and I think it's time someone came in and simplified the process 🀝. If the city really wants to boost economic activity, they need to make it easier for businesses to thrive. And as for me, I'll be stickin' with my favorite spot on 5th Ave, where the only thing that's "consented" is the amazing food πŸ˜‹.
 
I feel bad for these restaurants, they're already dealing with so much uncertainty πŸ€•. But you know what? I think this could be an opportunity for the city to revamp their whole approach to outdoor dining 🌞. Instead of making it all about profit, why not focus on creating a system that's actually supportive of small businesses and local communities? Like, what if they offered grants or subsidies to help offset those "consent fees"? πŸ€‘ That way, restaurants can still participate in the program without breaking the bank. And maybe they could even create a more streamlined process for applying, so it's not such a hassle for them. I mean, who wants to spend their time worrying about permits and regulations when you should be focusing on serving customers? 😊
 
I'm not surprised that participation in NYC's outdoor dining program is tanking πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ. I've been saying it for ages - the application process and regulations are super confusing and expensive. Who thought $2,100 was a good idea for a license? πŸ’Έ And don't even get me started on those consent fees... it's like they're charging them to breathe 🀣.

I'm all for making outdoor dining more accessible, but we need to simplify the process and make it less burdensome. I mean, come on, who wants to spend their Saturday dealing with red tape instead of enjoying a nice meal al fresco? 😴 Not me, that's for sure! The NYC Hospitality Alliance is on the right track by proposing reforms to expand outdoor dining and make it more accessible to businesses.

We need to find a balance between revenue generation and making it easy for restaurants to set up shop. Maybe we can look at other cities' models or get some expert advice to make this work. I'm not giving up on outdoor dining just yet - let's hope the city figures out a way to make it happen 🀞.
 
The city is all about the benjamins πŸ’Έ, but it seems like they're more concerned with lining their pockets than supporting local businesses πŸ€‘. I mean, come on $2,100 for a license? That's steep 🀯. And don't even get me started on the consent fees - what's the logic behind that? It feels like they're trying to squeeze every last penny out of restaurants πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ.

I'm not surprised more restaurants aren't participating, though. The application process is already a pain in the neck πŸ“. And who thought it was a good idea to require them to pay for street space upfront? It's like they're betting on businesses failing before they even start πŸ˜’.

The city needs to listen to the concerns of restaurant owners and make some changes. Simplify the process, reduce costs, and support small businesses 🀝. We need a vibrant outdoor dining scene that benefits everyone, not just the city's bottom line πŸ’Έ.
 
omg did u see this 🀯? like 12k restaurants participated but only 400 even got licensed lol what's up w/ these regz?! πŸ€” it sounds like the cost is too high for some ppl. i think they need to make it easier and less expensive for restaurants to set up shop outdoors πŸ“ˆ 95% of diners say outdoor seating is a must 🀩 and NYC needs to deliver on that! πŸ—½οΈ stats show that NYC's food scene has lost $1.2 billion in revenue since the pandemic πŸ€‘ and i'm like "yikes" we need to fix this ASAP πŸ’ͺ 70% of restaurants say they'd be more likely to participate if costs were lower πŸ“Š and community board approval is just a headache 🀯 we need reforms, stat! 🚨
 
omg did u hear about nycs outdoor dining program 🀯? i mean idk what's goin on but apparently it's super hard for restaurants 2 get licensed & pay all those $$$$. like 400 out of 12k participate already? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ i feel 4 them owners who r struggling 2 keep up. nycs tryna boost economy & improve livin but regulations r killin it πŸ’” some ppl r sayin reformz are needed but idk if that's gonna make a diff πŸ€” wanna see changes 2 happen ASAP tho πŸ‘€
 
I mean, come on... $2,100 for a license? That's just crazy talk πŸ€‘. I get it, the city wants to make some cash off of this program, but do they really have to nickel-and-dime restaurants like this? And what's up with these consent fees? It feels like they're trying to squeeze every last penny out of them.

And don't even get me started on the review process... I mean, I can understand why it's complicated, but some restaurants are going to have to make a choice between their business and this program. And honestly, if that means taking a loss, then so be it. They're not losing money by not participating in it.

The problem is that the city is just being too inflexible... they need to listen to what the restaurants are saying and make some changes. Otherwise, they're going to keep seeing this participation drop off. I mean, who wants to put themselves through all that hassle? Not me, that's for sure πŸ˜’.
 
I'm so disappointed πŸ€•! I loved going to outdoor cafes during the pandemic, it was such a great way to enjoy good food and people-watch without being cooped up indoors. But now, it feels like the city is making it too hard for restaurants to participate. The costs are just too high πŸ’Έ, and the process is so convoluted 🀯. I get that they want to make sure everything is safe and nice, but come on! Can't we find a way to make it more accessible and affordable? It's really frustrating when you see all these empty tables outside of restaurants during peak hours πŸ‘Ž. Something needs to change ASAP ⏰, or I'll be taking my business (and my appetite) elsewhere 🚫
 
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