Zillow removes climate risk scores after agents complain about sales

Zillow has ditched its climate risk scoring system just one year after launching it, citing complaints from real estate agents who claim the data is misleading and causing lost sales.

The decision comes as no surprise, given that Zillow recently scaled back its use of the scores. Instead of displaying a numerical score on listings, users are now shown a small link to First Street's climate risk data. This change was reportedly made in response to industry pushback, with some agents feeling that the risk assessments were putting unwanted pressure on potential buyers.

First Street, the organization behind the original climate risk scoring system, is not happy about the change. Spokesperson Matthew Eby claimed that "the risk doesn't go away; it just moves from a pre-purchase decision into a post-purchase liability." This suggests that First Street believes its scores are valuable for helping consumers make informed decisions after they've purchased a home.

The California Regional Multiple Listing Service (CRMLS), which is one of the primary users of Zillow's database, has expressed relief at the change. CEO Art Carter noted that displaying flood risk data can have a significant impact on property desirability. However, he also questioned the accuracy of First Street's data, suggesting that areas with no reported flooding in 40 or 50 years were unlikely to experience flooding in the next five years.

First Street pushed back on this criticism, stating that its models are built on "transparent, peer-reviewed science" and are continuously validated against real-world outcomes.
 
I'm kinda surprised Zillow ditched their climate risk scoring system so quickly πŸ€”. I mean, it's not like they just got a bunch of complaints from agents, but also scaled back the scores themselves? Sounds like a middle ground to me... or am I missing something?

First Street is not having it though πŸ˜’. They're saying the risk doesn't go away, it just moves to after you buy the house. That's a valid point, but what about when people are considering buying in the first place? Don't they deserve some info on potential climate risks?

CRMLS is happy they removed the scores from listings, I get that - flood risk can be a major turn-off for buyers 😬. But at the same time, if First Street's data is not super accurate, does it even matter what the score says? It just seems like a PR move by Zillow to pacify agents... or maybe they're actually just trying to avoid some bad vibes πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
I'm kinda surprised that Zillow ditched their climate risk scoring system already πŸ€”. I get where they're coming from tho - it's not fair to put pressure on buyers who might be worried about flooding or other climate-related issues with a home. But at the same time, I can see why First Street would be all like "hey, our data is good and we're helping people make informed decisions" πŸ™„.

It's weird that some real estate agents were complaining about it tho... shouldn't they just be happy to have more info to share with clients? And isn't the whole point of climate risk scoring to help people avoid buying homes in areas that are gonna get flooded or whatever? It just seems like a lot of back and forth between Zillow, First Street, and the agents πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ.
 
I'm a bit surprised they ditched it already... I mean, you gotta admire their willingness to listen to feedback from the agents! 🀝 Those agents were just trying to do their job, right? Now, I know some people might say that climate risk scores are a great thing and should be more prominent, but honestly, I think this is all about finding that sweet spot where we can make informed decisions without freaking out the buyers πŸ˜…. And yeah, First Street's still standing by their data, which is totally fair πŸ™. It's all about nuance here – the risk might not go away, but maybe it's just shifted to a different part of the buying process? πŸ€”
 
πŸ€” so they just gave up on trying to help people make eco-friendly choices in home buying? it's like, we know climate change is a thing, but are we really going to wait until someone buys a house and then deal with the consequences? 🌎 i think this decision says more about how our current system works than about what's best for the planet. it's all about who has the power and influence - in this case, real estate agents. they can dictate what info gets displayed and when, effectively watering down the whole thing. what's next, are we gonna let people just ignore the problem until it's too late? 🚨
 
can't believe zillow got schooled by their own agents πŸ™„. i mean, who knew climate risk scoring was just too much info for some people to handle? it's not like they're going to save the world one home at a time πŸ˜’.

anyway, first street is still all about that climate risk life, and crmls is good with the change πŸ™Œ. but let's be real, who actually reads those links anyway? πŸ€” zillow's decision just means we'll have to wait even longer for some actual action on this stuff... until then, i'll just stick to my fantasy football league ⚽️
 
Ugh, can't believe Zillow backed out of climate risk scoring 😩. It's just so frustrating when corporations cave to industry pressure over doing what's right for the planet. I mean, who gets to decide how to use this data anyway? Real estate agents who want to make a quick sale? πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

And First Street is still all about "transparent science" but really it sounds like they're just trying to justify their scores. If you've lived in an area for 40 years with no flooding, it's super unlikely that it'll happen now... πŸ™„. It's just not that simple.

It's a shame because climate risk scoring was actually kinda useful. I wish Zillow would reconsider and find a way to make it work. Instead of just removing the scores altogether, they could have just fixed the issues with the data πŸ˜”.
 
I'm kinda surprised Zillow axed their climate risk scoring system already... I mean, it's not like they were getting a ton of complaints from buyers or sellers, right? πŸ€” It's more like some agents were feeling pressured into putting out those scores. But honestly, can you blame them? Like, if there's even a tiny chance of flooding in the next 5 years, that's a big deal for potential buyers! And if First Street thinks their data is accurate, that's all they can do, right? 🌑️ The fact that CRMLS was expressing relief at the change just makes me think Zillow's decision might've been more about avoiding drama than actual accuracy concerns...
 
omg u guys, i was totally expecting zillow to ditch that climate risk scoring thingy lol they're so extra. can't believe the drama between them & first street tho! like, if it's a problem with the data, shouldn't they just fix it? but noooo, now it's all about the liability and post-purchase issues. btw, first street is still low-key confident that their scores are legit πŸ€‘πŸ’― i mean, they're based on science and all... but at the same time, crmls is like "hey, let's just calm down & assess the data in a more nuanced way" πŸ€”πŸ“Š anywayz, it'll be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out πŸŽ‰πŸ’Έ
 
I'm calling BS on First Street's claims πŸ™„. If their data is so accurate and reliable, then why do they need to push back on the California Regional Multiple Listing Service's (CRMLS) concerns about accuracy? It sounds like they're trying to save face after Zillow's original decision was met with backlash from real estate agents. I want to see some concrete evidence of this "transparent, peer-reviewed science" πŸ“Š. How can you trust a system that says areas with no reported flooding in 40 or 50 years are still at risk in the next five years? That's just not mathematically possible πŸ€”.
 
ugh what a letdown zillow was literally trying to help us out with climate risk scoring and now they just give up πŸ˜’ i mean i get it, agents were complaining but come on can't we just prioritize the future of our planet over making some sales πŸ’Έ first street is still trying to do their thing though and im so frustrated that zillow isn't supporting them 🀯 its like we're stuck in this limbo where no one wants to take responsibility for climate change 🌎 anyway i guess we'll just have to rely on third party sources now πŸ˜’
 
idk about zillow ditchin the climate risk scoring thing... i mean, i get it, some agents were complainin about it causin lost sales πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. but like, isn't that what we wanna do? help ppl make informed decisions about buyin a home? 🏠. and i'm low-key impressed that first street's still pushin back on the accuracy criticism πŸ™Œ. 1 in 40 years is basically nothing, right? πŸ˜’ but i guess that's a different story when it comes to flood risk... anyway, here are some fun stats about climate risk scoring: πŸ“Š

* zillow's own data showed that listings with climate risk scores sold for ~$10k less than similar listings without scores πŸ’Έ
* according to a study by the urban land institute, homes in high-risk areas saw an average 12.5% decrease in value over a 2-year period πŸ“ˆ
* first street's model has been validated against real-world outcomes in all 50 states... 🌎 (source: first street)
anyway, just thought i'd share some thoughts πŸ€”
 
I'm not surprised Zillow is ditching the climate risk scoring system, to be honest πŸ€”. I mean, it's one thing to have data, but when you're going to use it in a way that can impact people's lives and finances, you gotta consider how that's gonna sit with everyone involved. Real estate agents are just trying to do their jobs and sell homes, they don't need some fancy scoring system telling them what's gonna happen down the line 😊. And now First Street is all like "but we're still good, our data is sound" πŸ™„... I'm not sure about that. I mean, if they think their models are so transparent and accurate, why aren't they just using it as a tool for after-the-fact, not before? It's like they're trying to solve two problems at once, but really they're just creating more uncertainty πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ.
 
I'm kinda surprised they ditched it already πŸ€”. I mean, climate risk is a big deal now, right? But if agents were getting complaints from clients, you gotta listen to 'em πŸ—£οΈ. It's not like First Street was trying to force-feed people data or anything πŸ˜…. Maybe this change just means the scores are gonna be more useful when people do finally buy stuff... after the fact πŸ“Š. I still think it's a good idea though, we gotta know what we're getting into with climate risk β›ˆοΈ.
 
omg can u believe zillow just ditched their climate risk scoring system after like a year?! i think this is kinda weird tbh, i was all about using it to help people make informed decisions when buying homes πŸ€” but now that the agents are complaining, idk... maybe they were right? πŸ€‘ real estate agents can be pretty influential in the market, so if they're saying it's misleading, i gotta respect that 😊. on one hand, first street is all like their scores are super accurate and validated by science πŸ“Š but on the other hand, art carter from crmls is saying some pretty shady stuff about zillow's data being inaccurate πŸ€‘ what do u guys think? πŸ€”
 
So I'm thinking about Zillow's decision to ditch its climate risk scoring system... it's kinda surprising, but not entirely unexpected, right? I mean, the company did recently scale back its use of the scores, and now they're basically just linking to First Street's data instead of displaying a score on listings. It sounds like real estate agents were complaining about how the scores were affecting sales, which is fair, because it's one thing for buyers to make informed decisions post-purchase, but another thing entirely for them to feel pressured into making a decision.

I'm also curious about First Street's response to the criticism from the CRMLS CEO, Art Carter. They're saying their data models are based on "transparent, peer-reviewed science" and are validated against real-world outcomes... that's all well and good, but shouldn't they be open to feedback from people who actually work with homes every day? It's not like this is a new development – the CRMLS was already worried about the impact of flood risk data on property desirability. So yeah, it's a pretty nuanced issue.
 
Ugh, I'm so done with Zillow's climate risk scoring system πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ. I mean, it was a great idea at first, but I guess the agents just didn't want to hear the truth about their listings 🏠. Back in my day, we used to have to actually look up property info and talk to sellers... now everything's just online πŸ’». And honestly, I'm not surprised they scaled back the scores, it was a bit too much pressure on buyers.

I don't get why First Street is still pushing for it though πŸ˜’. If their data's so accurate, shouldn't they be happy that Zillow is giving people more info? πŸ€” It just seems like they're trying to make a buck off of this thing πŸ’Έ. Anyway, I'm glad CRMLS is relieved about the change πŸ™Œ... now we can just look at listings without all the extra drama πŸŽ‰.
 
so zillow is basically taking down their climate risk scoring system because some agents complained about it being misleading? πŸ€”

i get why agents would be upset - if a home's flood risk score goes up, that could definitely impact sales. but at the same time, i think first street has some legit points. their data might not be 100% accurate, but it's still based on science and peer review. and shouldn't we want to know about potential climate risks when buying a home? 🌎

anyway, zillow is going to show links instead of scores now... i guess that's better than nothing? 😐 what do you guys think - should real estate companies be more transparent about climate risks? πŸ’‘
 
πŸ€” I gotta say, this is super weird. One year after launching climate risk scoring, Zillow just bails? That's gotta be some kinda industry pressure πŸ€‘. And now First Street is all like "don't worry, our scores are still valuable for post-purchase liability"... but how reliable can they really be? I mean, 40-50 years of no flooding doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen in the next 5, right? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ The whole thing just feels fishy to me... where's the data on this supposed "transparent, peer-reviewed science" from First Street?
 
OMG u guys! 🀯 so like zillow just dropped its climate risk scoring system after only a year lol what's good? they said it was b/c of complaints from agents who thought the data was misleading & it was costing them sales πŸ€‘ like wut? i think it's kinda sus that first street is still gonna use the same models though πŸ€” art carter from crmuls said that flood risk info affects property desirability, but like shouldn't we be valuing transparency over whatever? idk tho
 
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